GOTHAM: Jada Pinkett Smith Talks What She Finds Fascinating about Fish Mooney and Whether We Have Seen the Last of Her (2015)


Having seen how unlikely it is that any one from GOTHAM can stay away for very long, it seems rather certain that Fish Mooney (Jada Pinkett Smith) will soon be clawing her way back up to her perch a top the elite of the city of Gotham.  Just how and whether Penguin (Robin Lord Taylor) will get his comeuppance as she does remains to be seen.  But one thing is certain, she will be back.

In a recent press call, star Jada Pinkett Smith talked about her own fascination with the character of Fish Mooney and teased a bit about Fish’s final fate this season.

At the end of the recent episode, obviously, Fish appears to be leaving.  Is there anything at all you can tease about either what’s coming or maybe when she’s coming back?
JADA: It’s not quite over yet, but we’ll see if Fish survives the season.  It’s a little tense from here on out.  That’s for sure.  It’s a little rough on Fish from here on out.

What’s been your favorite scene so far to do?
JADA: I think one of my favorite scenes would have to be that Maroni scene when I go to Maroni and I hear that Penguin’s alive, but I have yet to see him and then he comes from the back, in the kitchen, and I see him for the first time.  I think that’s probably one of my favorite scenes that I’ve done so far.

What was it like preparing for this role?  There are so many actors that had some much reference material in terms of comic books or previous films for their characters.  You character was created for this show.  What was it like preparing for the role, not really having much to reference?
JADA: Yes, I think that was one of the reasons why the role was so interesting to me was because it was something that Bruno really wanted a partner in creating this Fish Mooney character, and I love female gangsters.  I just love them.  I think that they’re really interesting characters and interesting people, and there’s one, Griselda Blanco, who I had studied, and I also love the character from Sunset Boulevard.  I did kind of a mish-mosh of those two because Bruno had some suggestions, and it’s coming together, and I was like wow, I would really love to do a mixture of these two women, because the one thing I love about the super villains, and Gotham, is that they’re always so colorful.  I really wanted her to be grounded, but also have quite a flair.


Was there anything you added to Fish that maybe not have been originally scripted for you?
JADA: I would say, some of her “fishes,” kind of a lot of her mannerisms, and just some of those little added attitude phrases that Fish has.  I would say that would be pretty much what I would add.  Thank goodness I have a lot of room on set just because Bruno and the writers know that we’re still trying to find the voice of this character, so I have a lot of room to improv at times when it comes to Fish.  That’s been fun as well.  Just adding those little flavors that I think make Fish Mooney Fish.

What sort of acting challenges have you found sort of making a character in Fish that people love to hate, but at the same time, sort of root for her sometimes?
JADA: I think some of the challenges, and that’s a really good question because it’s, as I was saying before, I love how colorful Fish can be, but at the same time, you still want her to be relatable.  You know what I mean?  You still want people to be able to look at this woman and might not necessarily know her story, but be able to relate to her.   I think that this world of GOTHAM sometimes in finding where you need to be emotionally, or how grounded you need to be in a scene or how far you can actually go with the color of the Fish Mooney sometimes tend to be a bit challenging.  That’s always a see-saw.  It’s always trying to find that balance.  But, I would say that aspect is the most challenging of just keeping that flair, but at the same time, trying to keep her grounded and real.  That can be really challenging.

How would you perhaps describe Fish’s relationship with Penguin and what maybe have you enjoyed most seeing that relationship develop?
JADA: I would say that I think she saw Penguin as one of her adopted orphans.  Somebody that she kind of took off the street and helped them become something.  So, I think that she felt deeply betrayed by Penguin.  It will be interesting to see where their relationship goes from here.  Right now, they’re not getting along too well.  They’re pretty upset with him.  But, it will be interesting to see where it goes from here with the two of them.

Early people were noticing a change in your accent.  A change in delivery style.  A lot of times, people were saying that you sounded like Eartha Kitt in some scenes and others where the accent was dropped.  Is this a conscious decision for you to be playing Fish Mooney the thug pretending to be Fish Mooney the sophisticated gangster, or is that something you discussed with Bruno and the production team?  How did that come about?
JADA: Yes.  You know the thing about Fish Mooney, is that you will see, especially in the upcoming shows, you will see the many faces of Fish Mooney.  I think Fish Mooney, this is a woman who, because of her background and because of who she really is, really has taken it upon herself to do a lot of cover-up.  So, I think she has all of these different kinds of personalities that she picks and chooses to use during certain times.   You have this kind of sophisticated Fish of what she considers to be sophisticated.  What a sophisticated woman sounds like.  What a sophisticated woman looks like.  But then, there are times when she loses her cool and you kind of see her original essence.  Which can get a little gutter.  Then sometimes, when she has to be influential with men you’ll see her put on her little sexy kitten voice, which is coming up.    This is a woman who has created all of these different masks to fit different times, just depending on what she’s trying to do at that particular point in time.  It’s interesting, because when you watch people in real life, you’ll see that happen often.  She just does it in a more extreme way.

I have read that when you decided to audition for Fish Mooney that you came in with a man on a leash and liar across his forehead.  What gave you the instinct to show the people that’s what Fish Mooney embodied?
JADA: Well, I know that’s a better story, but it wasn’t for an audition.  We were actually doing a work session about Fish Mooney and trying to find the character, and that was one of the reasons why I decided to do something as extreme as that because I felt like instead of talking about it, just show it.    I just felt like, from the psychology that I had put together in regard to who I thought Fish was, that’s something better to show than to explain verbally.  That was one of the reasons why I decided to, for that particular creative session that I’d had with Bruno and Danny at the time, which it had already been decided that I would play Fish.  I decided to come in with the guy on the leash to just go this is who this woman is.  This is what I see and they like, “Okay, got it.”   It was a very short session to say the least.  They’re like, “Okay, she was in a gown, and I was done up, and I had this guy on the leash with no shirt on, with liar written across his forehead in red lipstick, and they were like, “We are clear” and I was like, “Cool.” Bruno, a nice foundation to work from for sure.

You are known for playing strong characters, which one would you say is your most favorite to play and is there a character that you would love to play in the future?
JADA: I would say, I love playing Fish Mooney.  I think you’re going to see a lot more color from Fish in the next episodes to come.  I think you’re going to see a lot more vulnerability.  I think you’re going to see a lot more of a human side of Fish Mooney.   I see Fish Mooney as kind of an extreme version of a woman.  A woman who wears many faces.  A woman who is strong, but yet afraid.  I would say that the Fish Mooney character has, especially in these coming episodes, has been really fun and I love how smart and perceptive that she is.  She just decided to use her skills – you know, she’s a criminal.  She decided to be a criminal instead of a doctor.  But, I really love her and I love what’s she becoming too.  I think in the next few episodes, and definitely towards the end, you’re going to see a whole different Fish, and a woman that definitely has some heart.  You’ve seen the ruthless, now you’re going to see some heart.

Can you talk more about the sexuality of your character and what’s that been like?
JADA: It’s been great.  I think the Fish Mooney character anything pretty much goes as far as she’s concerned by any means necessary.  It’s kind of her motto, but I definitely think that Fish doesn’t discriminate when it comes to her sexuality.


You said when you first got cast, you really found the world of GOTHAM to be really interesting.  What did you find so fascinating about it?
JADA: Well, because GOTHAM is so mysterious.  There’s this kind of undertone to GOTHAM, the idea that this city itself is kind of this underbelly and it’s just like, what is going in these alleys?  What’s going on in these so called high rises?  What is happening?  Why is it that this place has some of the most incredible villains and then you have one of the most beloved super heroes, which is Batman and comes from this kind of dark, gritty atmosphere?  I’ve just felt that GOTHAM, itself, has been such a mystery, and I’ve always been drawn to it.  Like, what is GOTHAM?  What is the city about?  Who’s there?  Why is it this place?  What is it about this place?   So, that has always fascinated me about the Batman story.  It’s just his backdrop, which has been GOTHAM.

Was there a particular scene or episode where you felt like you really clicked with Fish and just like became her, or did you already kind of have her down before you stepped onto the scene?
JADA: I think, funny enough, it really felt like as soon as I put on that wig, Fish is there.  Because I put on that wig and her gear, because it’s so specifically her.  It is an immediate transformation.  The first day, as soon as I put on that wig and that dress, I just felt like, “Oh, there she is,” and every time I do it she just arrives.  It’s a really beautiful thing to have as an actress.  Yes, you just don’t have to work hard for it and that I’m grateful for.  That wig, and those heels, and the nails really conjure her.

Fish Mooney has an awesome wardrobe.  Do you have any input on that creative process at all?
JADA: I actually do.  Our fantastic costume designer usually just comes to me and says, “What do you think about these fabrics?  What do you think about this idea?”  So, that’s pretty much it.  I pretty much told Lisa to just do whatever, whatever she feels because she’s such a fantastic artist, and so we usually just talk about shape and color.

What’s your favorite outfit been so far this season?
JADA: What has my favorite outfit been?  I think it would probably have to be the one that I wore when I went to see Maroni about returning Penguin to me.  And it’s the first time I realized that Penguin was alive, and the first time I see him after seeing him in Maroni’s restaurant, and think it was like teal.  It was this beautiful kind of antique fabric, but yet it had this kind of punk rock edge to it with the trim that she used, which was this kind of spiked teal leather and I just thought it was just a beautiful mixture of the old and the new and even with the shape of it, it was high waisted, but yet it had this kind of like warrior-esque, but quite feminine top that went to it.    It was pretty cool.  It was really quite beautiful.  Not that comfortable to wear, but beautiful.

Is there a character that you would like to play that in the future?
JADA: There’s a character coming up in “Magic Mike” that I’m really happy about, that is totally different from anything that I’ve done thus far.  Once again, this woman is strong in a much different way also, and I think that from the response that we’ve been getting in regards to the character that I play in “Magic Mike,” I’m really happy in how that turned out and she’ll probably end up being one of my favorites as well.

Are you enjoying being a part of a comic book universe?
JADA: Oh yes.  I am, I am enjoying it.  I love comic books and so it’s been a real pleasure to be able to participate in this way for sure.

Your family members are actually fans.  What do they tell you about Fish Mooney?  Do they give you notes about whether she’s a good villain as she is, or if she needs to be more devious or brutal?
JADA: No notes.  That’s the wonderful thing.  No notes.  You just go good job, that’s it.  We stay away from notes.

You’re a new addition to Twitter, are you enjoying the instant fan feedback you receive during the episodes?
JADA: Oh, I have so much fun.  Yes, I have a lot of fun.  It’s like, because this is such an enthusiastic genre, the fans that participate in this particular genre, is just so much fun.  Yes, I have a good time when I’m on Twitter talking about the show.  I have a blast.

To find out what Fish Mooney has up her sleeve in reclaiming her crown and dethroning Penguin, be sure to tune in for all new episodes of  GOTHAM, which airs Monday nights at 8:00 p.m. on Fox.


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